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1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) Sniper Rifle
(Mfg past BSA Shirley - M47c)
c/west matching Model No.32 Mk.3 Scope (Mfg by Taylor-Hobson & Co.)
Source: .... The British Sniper by Ian Skennerton (1983) - ISBN: 0949749036 Canadian Market Value Approximate: $
Caliber: ....................... .303 in.
Rifling & Twist: ............. 5 Groove, Enfield, Left Paw
Barrel Length: .............. 25.two in. (640mm)
Overall Length: ............ 44.v in. (1130mm)
Weight: ....................... 11 lb. 10 oz. (five.3kg)
Magazine Capacity: ...... 10 rounds
Rifle Converted: ............ by Holland & Holland (S51) & B.S.A. Guns Ltd.
Burglarize approval date: ....... February twelfth, 1942
Scope: ......................... TEL. SGT. No.32 Mk III O.S. 2039 A (Mfg by Taylor-Hobson & Co.)
Scope approval date: .... October 7th, 1944 (Mk Three)
Qty Mfg: ....................... 23,177 (Production from Sept. 22nd,1942 - March 21st, 1946 as calculated by Peter Laidler)
Source: .... The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826
Source: ......... An Armorer'due south Perspective: .303 No.4(T) Sniper Rifle by Peter Laidler & Ian Skennerton (1993) - ISBN: 0949749176
1944 Enfield No.four Mk1(T) Sniper Rifle
(130 picture virtual bout)
Observations:
Notation: Pics of rifle provided courtesy of MILSURPS.COM member ~Affections~.
With the appearance of modern 3rd party reproductions of various No.iv(T) components, collectors need to exist increasingly enlightened of what an "all right" period No.4(T) sniper burglarize should look like. Reproduced below is a partial extract of an fantabulous general article on the subject, by a 1 of our members, Terry "maple_leaf_eh" Warner.
Spotting a Fake No.4(T) Sniper Rifle ...... by Terry "maple_leaf_eh" Warner
(Article Extract)
Too looking for both 'T' and 'TR', i very simple test is to examine the screw heads on the pads. Staking the end of the slot with a pin punch is an uncomplicated way to lock a screw caput, and was listed in the armourer's orders in March 1946. More than one stake per screw head, indicates the pad has been removed or replaced, either for repair or overhaul. A unmarried stake marker suggests a rifle is newly converted, was non used very much, or left British service prior to 1946. The front pad takes the worst beating of the two.
To summarize Laidler, the first guideline is to examine the left side of the receiver. Read the model number. All British and Fell-made sniper rifles were built on No.4 Mk1 actions ("number four marker ane"). Only wartime dated Long Co-operative No.4 Mk1* ("number four marker 1 star") receivers were converted to sniper rifles. If a rifle from two British plants was more than accurate than average, information technology was set bated for No.iv(T) conversion. Birmingham Small Arms' plant in Shirley stamped their 'M47C' on the barrel socket. Regal Ordnance Factory in Maltby stamped 'ROFM' 'RM' or 'M' on the sidewall or on the butt socket. The series number ranges are listed in Stratton.
In that location was a continual reduction of sniper rifles in British service after 1945 until the 1960's. Those unsuited for upgrade programs or surplus were sold off. Remaining rifles were converted to L42 rifles in 7.62 NATO. Therefore, a British burglarize has a storybook of markings establishing its history. Canadian issued rifles usually do non have the characteristic British speckling of stamps and punches. The collector must educate himself on the nuances of each postage and punch. They are not random, but tell a lengthy and detailed story beyond the intent of this article.
Still post-obit Laidler, the second guideline is to look for a large 'TR' stamped on the left of the butt socket and a alphabetic character 'T' on the flat of the left receiver sidewall later the model number. The fonts are distinctive. The 'TR' was practical past inspectors at the establish to point the rifle grouped meliorate than others. It was segregated and shipped to Holland and The netherlands. The new arrivals were inspected again, and those that met a college standard were converted. Some rejected 'TR' rifles may be in circulation without other sniper marks. The 'T' signified a No.32 telescope had been fitted, and the combination met all inspections. Without a 'T' marking, the rifle could not take been converted at Holland and Holland or Long Branch, except for defined batches of rifles converted before the marking procedures were settled.
The third guideline is to wait for a ¼ inch 'S51' stamped on the bottom of the handgrip of the butt stock. This is unique to Holland and Holland. The standard length butt was a Normal marked with a letter 'Due north' on the top near the barrel plate. At that place will be a check rest with a scalloped front screwed to the comb. In that location are some variations in the finished shape and centering of the cheek residuum. Some rifles have it more upright while others tend to have the rest rolled to either side. Unbuggered screw heads on slotted screws are an encouraging sign. Look for a stamped telescope number on the front edge of the butt, just before butt socket. If possible (but I strongly propose confronting amateurs touching any tool to a collectable rifle), unscrew the butt and expect on the wood for the burglarize serial number just in front of the scope number.
Look at the stock, look for a screw from one side of the wood to the other only in front end of the receiver ring. This is the dreaded Ishapore screw. The Indians modified every No.four rifle they found with this strengthening screw. Nobody else worried about such things. Although, Republic of india did use unknown numbers of No.4(T) rifles, just the references give no indication of Indian markings.
Look on the front right side of the receiver just behind the receiver ring. A 18-carat Holland and Holland conversion will have a 1/8 inch letter 'S' shut to the wood line. I cannot comment if Long Co-operative is marked as such.
If in that location is an angular sling hinge on the takedown screw in forepart of the magazine, this is a sign, A) the rifle was either produced afterwards September 1944, B) it left British armed services sometime near and so, or C) someone has 'improved' the rifle. A considerable number of noncombatant Parker Hale target shooting swivels alter hands on the cyberspace, regardless of appropriateness for the yr of No.iv(T) production.
Look at the sights. Are both surfaces on the front sight blade, which face the shooter, undercut? Apparently some snipers constitute the normal slope reflected dorsum on their optics. I wouldn't worry if it is not there. Information technology may be a peculiarity of British unit of measurement-level conversions. The back sight should be the machined early Mk.I style, without the 90 degree boxing sight. It should be completely black with no exposed metal surfaces. One sign the rifle has been used past someone knowledgeable will be if the underside is rounded out. Smart armourers made this modification (without permission) so their sniper comrades could remove the rifle commodities without removing the scope and flipping up the back sight.
The next to terminal item(s) are the accessories according to the equipment checklists. Every well-dressed No.4(T) has: a No.fifteen wooden transport chest; a No.8 scope case and leather strap or No.eight MK.two rubberized sail sleeve; a sail protective example that is besides pocket-sized for a rifle with scope; a Scout Regiment 'pirate-style' draw tube telescope; a small can cleaning kit; and a Earth War I dated American M1907 leather sling. Each item is a study in itself. Generally speaking, collectors wait for matching numbers to their rifle and telescope, and for example, a Wide Arrow on the sling. Whatsoever No.viii case or sleeve, and surprisingly the tin's strap, are highly sought afterward, followed by the No.xv chest. The Canadian C No.seven .22 rifle breast is like, but non tall plenty by 2 inches.
The final particular from Laidler's books is the No.32 telescope and mounting bracket or base of operations. If the burglarize offered does not have a No.32 scope, be skeptical. Remember, the Century rifles are sold without brackets or scopes. If there is a telescopic, compare its number to the stamped number on the butt and the rifle number to the one on the subclass. If they match, Bingo! We have a winner. If not, don't despair. Well-nigh No.4(T)s sold for surplus in Canada have mismatched numbers. The dealers stored the rifles unheated and the scopes heated; most salesmen or shippers didn't know or care to match them upwards. It is non unreasonable to suspect a similar tale elsewhere.
In wide terms, a 1941, '42 or '43 rifle should have a MK1 scope; rifles made in '43 and '44 should have a MK2 telescopic, and rifles made in '45 a MK3 or C No.67 scope (also known as a Mk4). Canadian-made REL scopes restart series numbers with each mark change. Only a few hundred REL scopes of each mark were ever produced, so overall they are exceedingly scarce. An REL scope on a British rifle or a Long Co-operative rifle with British scope should be approached skeptically. The best British MK3 scopes were kept for the 7.62 conversion program, every bit before Marks were no longer needed. Some adept condition MK3 scopes were sold off.
There are a number of replica scope brackets on the market. US companies similar SARCO and The Sportsman's Guide sell imitation sniper rifle mounts. It has an obvious two-faceted rear face. The author succumbed to a testosterone race and bought a not-then-cleared explained replica bracket for 50% more than the retailer was request. On the other farthermost are brackets made in the UK for Roger Payne. His products are loftier quality and esthetically close to the original, but still distinctive to the knowledgeable collector.
The flat side will exist flat, not sharply angled. Expect for a round radius on the rear "arm" of the bracket and a short vertical rise from the rear finger knob. The originals were bandage iron, with limited machining for the scope contact surfaces, the ring halves, and the bearing surfaces at the pads. Postwar, the British rifles stamped the burglarize serial number on the rear leg. Long Branch serialized the subclass to the rifle, centered nigh the top edge.
Canadian knobs have a small depression in their middle. The British knobs are polish surfaced inside. There are 2 styles of split washers which are non interchangeable.
Laidler suggests if the pads have tiny Broad Pointer marks, they are replacement parts from authorized sources. However, there are replica No.iv(T) parts kits on the market place. One internet seller includes drills, taps and screws with a set of pads. Hardware is 1 matter, talent is another. The key ingredient in the Holland and Holland conversion was 2 operators and three machines using all the same jigs. They converted rifles on a product line of one rifle later another. Every faker is trying to replicate that unique ready of conditions. Without a good knowledge of the factors, information technology is unlikely to get the pads properly centered and aligned over the bore. A fake rifle and pads are unlikely to be aligned to the natural centre of the telescope'due south adjustment.
"Is my Lee Enfield sniper rifle a fake?" (for Terry'due south consummate article ... click here)
Collector'due south Comments and Feedback:
one. Terry's commodity should be used as a general guideline when examining a No.4(T) that'southward for sale, even so, go along in mind that fifty-fifty genuine No.iv(T)'due south may have undergone some factory repairs, therefore they may not exactly match his descriptions. A skilful example is a rifle that went through 1 of the W.R.S. (Weedon Repair Standard) sub-contractors. A rifle having undergone W.R.S. repairs may be identified by a half-dozen (6) pointed star stamped into the wood, with a letter of the alphabet stamped underneath information technology indicating the specific sub-contractor who did the work. For example, the pics below show a different (non the ane in photograph pictorial) 1944 M47c (BSA Shirley) No.4 Mk1(T), that has no S51 stamped under the butt, however, the barrel itself was changed during a visit to for W.R.S. work to Westward.W. Greener, as indicated by the half dozen (6) pointed star and the letter V, which was their sub-contractor code letter. Therefore, when this rifle is examined overall, it's obviously a legitimate No.4(T), probably having been returned for repair from service, after having undergone some kind of impairment in the field. ...... (Feedback by "Annoy")
2. According to the email correspondence of Captain Peter Mason, this "all matching" and "all right" No.four(T) used in our photograph pictorial, was a service rifle from "four Commando" (marked on butt) and belonged to Sergeant Taffy Evans, who served with Stonemason throughout WWII. It went ashore at D-Twenty-four hour period, across France and so to Walcheran Island. The rifle came with an action encompass, series number matched No.32 MkIII telescopic tin, ammo pouches and a sniper veil. Somewhere during its life, this No.4(T) was switched from using a standard No.15 Mk1 Transit Chest, to using a custom chest, modified from an erstwhile artillery ammunition case. Helm Peter Bricklayer was a fellow member of the British Underground Service's "Seek And Strike" unit of measurement and leader of the S.A.S 'Baker Team' from 1944-1948. This unit of measurement sought and pursued Nazi war criminals who had killed British agents, and upon apprehending them, proceeded to electrocute them. Winston Churchill was afraid that only the upper-echelon Nazis would be brought to justice; the Southward.A.Southward. sought out the adjacent level of Nazis. Mason served in many areas of conflict, including the attempted bump-off of Egyptian Full general Gamel Abdul Nasser in 1956. Out of compatible, Mason operated backside the Iron Mantle, and also infiltrated the Irish Republican Army.
Official Assassinator (Winston Churchill'southward Sas Hit Team)
By Helm Peter Mason ISBN: 0932572316 
(Click PIC to Overstate)
3. Cheerio. I read your commodity on the Canadian CNo7 rifle and noted a non oftentimes known fact that lead to a error in your information almost the No7 rifle. You stated that the CNo7 rifles were equipped with the T sniper sling swivel and that some of the sail cover loops perchance cleaved off due to over turning the loop. The fact is --that many people practice not know--and I am not belittling you or your well presented article/mail service. But forwards information technology on in the involvement of furthering our Enfield knowledge. Firstly-- the No4T sniper sling swivel was equipped with a longer shaft on the swivel itself that allowed full rotation of the swivel itself without catching on the cover loop. Secondly-- the later on target swivels from Parker Hale had a shorter attaching stud shaft and therefore would not be able to swivel on the mounting shaft/stud, without communicable the cover loop. For this reason it is a small issue only 1 tin appraise the originality of at least one detail on a No4T, if the sling hinge clears the loop we have an original sniper hinge. If information technology does not, move on and bank check all other items on the sniper to appraise whether or not the claim that may accept been made that the burglarize is original. 1 piece not an original piece of equipment to the T rifles does not mean that the residue of the rifle will not be but it raises the question of whether or not a sure rifle was assembled from parts due to the value of these rifles now-a-days or whether it is an all original rifle. So many people do not know this little item. They advertise their T burglarize as all original when in fact the rifle was a bitster or a restoration from a sported sniper. I practice non know all the same whether the Canadian CNo7 rifles came with the original (high) sniper swivel, or whether they were equipped with the PH target swivel. Information technology is possible that people call up the No7's came with the T swivel when in fact they did originally come up with the NONE --T-- swivel manufactured past Parker Hale, with the shorter target swivel shaft.
iv. With reference to terryinvictoria's comments, his feedback by and large concerns the blueprint of "original" T sniper target swivels. I would counter by pointing out that on checking the Canadian ordnance parts list, both the Canadian No.4(T) sniper burglarize and the Cno7 .22 rifle share the same sling hinge. The NSN is 1005-21-103-1202, and the reference number is DD(East)3699. While I am not in a position to argue with or against Terry's points with reference to the sling swivels used on British rifles, as I have only had a half dozen or so of these on which to compare, I would advise that in Canadian service, the swivel is the same, and that on both the rifle types in question, the swivel is identical. .............. Feedback by "stencollector"
5. In reference to terryinvictoria 's feedback, here's an instance of a No.4(T) sling swivel with British government "Broad Arrow" credence markings. The sling swivel pictured beneath does not rotate 360 degrees and it's the original 1 that came installed on this 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) Sniper Rifle from Captain Peter Bricklayer's "four Commando" unit of measurement, that is the subject field of this knowledge library thread. In improver, the target sling swivel on the 1944 C No.7 .22 Caliber Lee-Enfield Training Rifle (click here) , featured in the Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here), also does non rotate 360 degrees, as shown in the pics of it beneath. This data got me curious, so I went on a hunting trek through ~Affections~'s Enfield collection and dug out 10 (ten) No.4(T) sniper rifles, all dating betwixt 1944 and 1945, which included a Canadian Long Branch. Only i (1) was equipped with a target sling swivel that rotated 360 degrees. As shown in the pics below, it as well happens to be the only one that'southward marked "Parker Hale - Made on England" and information technology has no British regime "Broad Arrow" credence markings at all. We'd be interested in hearing from anyone else with empirical data who could shed some more low-cal on this. 
half-dozen. I was simply reading this Knowledge Library entry page and I came beyond the "feedback" by "terryinvictoria" about the king screw sling swivel. Sadly he is incorrect. The only swivels which clear the action cover loop are aftermarket produced, ala "Parker Hale". I do have some military consequence swivels which clear the loop, simply they are specifically for the Australian HT. These were a straight copy (or unmarked variant) of the common hinge used in Australia on their "range rifles" pre-WWII, and subsequently militarized during the war. I obtained my samples from "Vulch" on the quondam Gun & Knife and Gunboards forums. I'yard sure "terryinvictoria" too obtained a sample from the same source, and ascribed information technology's features to all military swivels. In the Ts & No7s (5) immediately to hand none have swivels which clear the loop. Strangely enough, Peter Laidler addressed this exact bailiwick in relation to the No4T and L42 on the Old Jouster forums.
Posted By: Peter Laidler
Date: Wed 20 Feb 2008 12:25 pm
Thread titled "sniper rifle alarm................"
I find that the rifle referred to hither and others that I've seen/noticed have a fake/post war/commercial trigger guard sling swivel. How do you lot tell one of these from the real matter? Simple. The War machine issue sling swivel, B1/CR-540, WILL FOUL the steel loop at the forepart of the trigger guard. Read that once more. It Volition FOUL the loop at 180 degrees of rotation either way. The reason is to foreclose the sling loop and sling rotating and getting itself into a twist.
The post war commercial item that fakers use is slightly longer and volition just clear the pocket-size wire loop. This allows it and therefore the sling to rotate through 360 degrees. The sling tin and will twist. So exist advised of this very small point. If this modest indicate isn't right, ask yourself WHY. It left military service with the correct ane........... That's if it is a true No4T or L42!
Recollect. Existent McCoy, WILL foul the wire loop. A post state of war commercial will NOT and will rotate through 360 degrees
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Posted past: Peter Laidler
Date: Sun 1 Feb 2009 v:03 am
Existence anal nigh the swivel.....
On the subject area of the swivel, information technology's non meant to supplant anything. It is in Improver to. The snipers were (and are) taught to use the dissimilar variables of sling and sling positions and the option is left to them. Some ignore the Hinge, sling, triger baby-sit and some used it but information technology was their choice.
The existent McCoy were phosphated and painted and didn't always carry a makers mark. Those early wartime ones from H&H had a tiny S51 marker on the screwdriver slot end while some presumably later ones didn't carry a marker while other from BSA, for the No8 rifle, did carry the M47 mark, as did the Faz for their No8 production
Don't forget that there were TWO sorts. The COMMERCIAL ane had a longer thicker part of the shaft that would enable the loop part to articulate the little loop on the trigger guard while the UK Modern spec one had a deliberately short shaft that would stop at the loop and preclude the sling twisting.
If you lot have a LONG one, it belongs to a commercial target rifle. You can shorten the long thick part shaft on a lathe to make a good replica but you'll have to shorten the screwed part and recut the thread. If I remember, it's a 1/iv" BSF but check starting time.................... Or one day I'll tell you about restoring nmy Mini and cutting 26TPI BSF threads when what I Actually wanted was 28 TPI UNF. Well, information technology's an easy mistake to brand!
7. All the No4T rifles were slowly modified with the front trigger guard swivel as a result of snipers beingness taught to utilise the single betoken sling method as an alternative to the well established top and bottom sling loop method. In wartime, a burglarize could get for years without going to an Armourers store or even being noticed, especially if the sniper didn't know or didn't use the front end trigger baby-sit sling swivel. And so both with or without are right. The same goes for cheek rests on the earliest No4T's. With or without are both right. I suppose that if you had an original rifle, directly from the battlefield in Italy, fitted with a long Bren webbing sling (which was well liked, taught and used mostly....) then THAT would be original as well. Merely, be warned, in that location are two sorts of front trigger guard swivel. The VAOS office (that's the Army spec one) has a short shank that will not permit the swivel to rotate a full circle equally it get stopped by the cover loop on the trigger guard. The commercial sling loops have a longer shank that clears the loop. As for the cover loop on the trigger baby-sit, then while I insisted that they were nowadays, other armourers, some senior and some junior, said that information technology was academic and didn't mind either fashion............... The reason for Non replacing them was that a change of trigger guard meant that you had to spend the side by side couple of hours re-setting up the trigger pull-offs! Some say that about 50 percent of the L42's disposed of didn't have the loop. .......
8. Martin Pegler talks about British sniper rifles on Guns and Ammo ...... (Feedback by "Badger")
9. I noticed a thread over on Gunboards which had a really interesting photo in information technology of a complete No.iv(T) kit layout. We requested permission from Milsurps.com member Terrylee to re-publish his comments and photographs here. .............. Feedback past "Annoy"
Equipment of the British Sniper 1944/45
Pics and descriptions provided coutesy of Milsurps.com fellow member "Terrylee" (click hither)
Rifle, No.iv Mk1 (T) with Sling and Packing Example
No.32 Telescopic Sight, Carrying Case and Adjusting Tool
Denison Smock (1945)
Binoculars, Prismatic, No.two Mk.2 with Webbing Case
Telescope, Scout Regiment Mk.Ii with Leather Case
Compass, Prismatic, Mk.Three with Leather Case
Sentinel, G.Due south.
2 Confront veils
l Rounds Mk.Seven S.A.A. in Bandolier
5 Rounds Armour Piercing
5 Rounds Tracer
ii No.36 Grenades
H2o Bottle
Emergency Ration (1944 - stale?)
(Click PIC to Enlarge)
British Sniper Kit by "Terrylee"
(24 pic virtual tour)
ten. The Lee Enfield by Ian Skennerton (2007) - ISBN: 9780949749826 is an fantabulous general reference book on the evolution of Lee-Enfield rifles, still, it doesn't go into keen particular on their use as sniper rifles. Ian Skennerton published an before 266 folio work in 1983 chosen The British Sniper (British & Republic Sniping & Equipments 1915-1983) - ISBN 0 949749 03 6. For anyone wanting a lot more detail enquiry with pictures roofing the evolution of sniping, this is an excellent supplement to his afterward work. It is out of impress, and so I'd suggest you use a "Google" search on the title to run across if y'all can detect a copy from one of the rare used volume sources on the Net. I found my re-create on eBay. ....... (Feedback past "Badger")
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